Comments on: Eclipsing Firefox http://www.allpeers.com/blog/2005/04/08/eclipsing-firefox/ The official AllPeers blog Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:44:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: TheIdeaMan http://www.allpeers.com/blog/2005/04/08/eclipsing-firefox/#comment-5807 TheIdeaMan Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:30:29 +0000 http://www.allpeers.com/blog/2005/04/08/eclipsing-firefox/#comment-5807 I'm with LukeM. There needs to be a Scintilla Mozilla plugin (nice ring to it too). I've known about the one in Komodo from when I tried an early demo just after its release--which I enjoyed, btw. Shane, would ActiveState ever consider doing that? If they don't have time to support a community, which is understandable, they could release it under the Apache 2.0 license and let it go from there. All parties could then share in the fun both for commercial and open source uses. Just an idea. I’m with LukeM. There needs to be a Scintilla Mozilla plugin (nice ring to it too). I’ve known about the one in Komodo from when I tried an early demo just after its release–which I enjoyed, btw.

Shane, would ActiveState ever consider doing that? If they don’t have time to support a community, which is understandable, they could release it under the Apache 2.0 license and let it go from there. All parties could then share in the fun both for commercial and open source uses.

Just an idea.

]]> By: LukeM http://www.allpeers.com/blog/2005/04/08/eclipsing-firefox/#comment-5790 LukeM Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:41:20 +0000 http://www.allpeers.com/blog/2005/04/08/eclipsing-firefox/#comment-5790 Hey Shane (and other Komodoites), How about releasing your Scintilla Mozilla plugin open source? It's not like it's the Komodo secret sauce or anything! And even if you just threw the code out there, totally unsupported, I think there are a lot of people that would be really interested in working on it! --Luke Hey Shane (and other Komodoites),
How about releasing your Scintilla Mozilla plugin open source? It’s not like it’s the Komodo secret sauce or anything! And even if you just threw the code out there, totally unsupported, I think there are a lot of people that would be really interested in working on it!
–Luke

]]> By: Shane Caraveo http://www.allpeers.com/blog/2005/04/08/eclipsing-firefox/#comment-5764 Shane Caraveo Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:14:55 +0000 http://www.allpeers.com/blog/2005/04/08/eclipsing-firefox/#comment-5764 Ran across this article while looking for some info on xulrunner. As a response regarding building an IDE in Firefox, we've done it with Komodo, which has been built on xpfe (toolkit in upcomming versions) since pre-1.0 mozilla. We use scintilla for the editor component, pluged in via NPAPI. Our primary focus has always been scripting languages, but we do all our xul/xbl/js development in Komodo. Regards, Shane Caraveo Komodo Tech Lead Ran across this article while looking for some info on xulrunner. As a response regarding building an IDE in Firefox, we’ve done it with Komodo, which has been built on xpfe (toolkit in upcomming versions) since pre-1.0 mozilla. We use scintilla for the editor component, pluged in via NPAPI. Our primary focus has always been scripting languages, but we do all our xul/xbl/js development in Komodo.

Regards,
Shane Caraveo
Komodo Tech Lead

]]> By: Peter Wilson http://www.allpeers.com/blog/2005/04/08/eclipsing-firefox/#comment-3664 Peter Wilson Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:45:29 +0000 http://www.allpeers.com/blog/2005/04/08/eclipsing-firefox/#comment-3664 Couldn’t agree more. I have recently resurrected the XulApp IDE project (c 2002). XulApp contained a project file explorer and a form designer, plus a few experiments with editors of various kinds. The original project languished due to the number of bugs and NOT_IMPLEMENTED features in Mozilla at that time. After removal of three years of bit rot, the original project is now running again. It is not a usable development environment, but I use the form designer to prototype designs for the next version. The original prototype demonstrated that an IDE is possible. I have recently started work on a complete redesign along the lines of Eclipse. However, I am not seeking to slavishly copy the Eclipse design. I don’t particularly like the monolithic One Form, approach used by Eclipse and Visual Studio .Net. I am designing a Project Explorer more along the lines of Windows™ File Explorer, or TortoiseSVN. This will have the ability to install additional extensions for form design and code editing etc. I hope to have a preliminary version of the Project Explorer – minus any tools – uploaded this week. Couldn’t agree more. I have recently resurrected the XulApp IDE project (c 2002). XulApp contained a project file explorer and a form designer, plus a few experiments with editors of various kinds. The original project languished due to the number of bugs and NOT_IMPLEMENTED features in Mozilla at that time. After removal of three years of bit rot, the original project is now running again. It is not a usable development environment, but I use the form designer to prototype designs for the next version.

The original prototype demonstrated that an IDE is possible.

I have recently started work on a complete redesign along the lines of Eclipse. However, I am not seeking to slavishly copy the Eclipse design.

I don’t particularly like the monolithic One Form, approach used by Eclipse and Visual Studio .Net. I am designing a Project Explorer more along the lines of Windows™ File Explorer, or TortoiseSVN. This will have the ability to install additional extensions for form design and code editing etc.

I hope to have a preliminary version of the Project Explorer – minus any tools – uploaded this week.

]]> By: Kroc Camen http://www.allpeers.com/blog/2005/04/08/eclipsing-firefox/#comment-3210 Kroc Camen Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:44:33 +0000 http://www.allpeers.com/blog/2005/04/08/eclipsing-firefox/#comment-3210 Wow, this is a really good idea, and the the tabs in firefox would work perfect in it as you could have a mix of URL tabs and code tabs, when you're viewing a webpage and the break-point is hit, it could whip back to the code tab and show the line, most effective. For an IDE like VS.net, that'd be too much to include in Firefox out of the box, and far too much integration for an extension to do it efficiently. Perhaps a special "build" of firefox from the tree that included the functionality. Wow, this is a really good idea, and the the tabs in firefox would work perfect in it as you could have a mix of URL tabs and code tabs, when you’re viewing a webpage and the break-point is hit, it could whip back to the code tab and show the line, most effective.

For an IDE like VS.net, that’d be too much to include in Firefox out of the box, and far too much integration for an extension to do it efficiently. Perhaps a special “build” of firefox from the tree that included the functionality.

]]> By: Banteng http://www.allpeers.com/blog/2005/04/08/eclipsing-firefox/#comment-3209 Banteng Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:43:48 +0000 http://www.allpeers.com/blog/2005/04/08/eclipsing-firefox/#comment-3209 <strong>Mozilla as IDE</strong> Matthew Gertner and Axel Hecht are blogging about turning Firefox into an XUL IDE. Or turning Eclipse into an IDE that supports XUL. Basically they want tools that support the promise of Mozilla's XPFE/toolkit. With books like "Creating Applicatio... Mozilla as IDE

Matthew Gertner and Axel Hecht are blogging about turning Firefox into an XUL IDE. Or turning Eclipse into an IDE that supports XUL.

Basically they want tools that support the promise of Mozilla’s XPFE/toolkit. With books like “Creating Applicatio…

]]> By: maggot brain http://www.allpeers.com/blog/2005/04/08/eclipsing-firefox/#comment-3208 maggot brain Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:54:44 +0000 http://www.allpeers.com/blog/2005/04/08/eclipsing-firefox/#comment-3208 <strong>Re: Eclipsing Firefox</strong> Matthew Gertner blogs about Eclipsing Firefox. Instead of putting my comments there, I'll trackback and give a tad more exposure to his post, too. Basically, he votes to create a Eclipse-like IDE within Firefox. While we all agree on the... Re: Eclipsing Firefox

Matthew Gertner blogs about Eclipsing Firefox. Instead of putting my comments there, I’ll trackback and give a tad more exposure to his post, too. Basically, he votes to create a Eclipse-like IDE within Firefox. While we all agree on the…

]]> By: Nancy http://www.allpeers.com/blog/2005/04/08/eclipsing-firefox/#comment-3207 Nancy Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:19:21 +0000 http://www.allpeers.com/blog/2005/04/08/eclipsing-firefox/#comment-3207 Boy - did I get a flush of pride at the "Hi Mom". Hey I was pretty proud about the Slashdot quote as well. I think I just read your blogs to bask in your brilliance - not because I understand much! Boy - did I get a flush of pride at the “Hi Mom”. Hey I was pretty proud about the Slashdot quote as well. I think I just read your blogs to bask in your brilliance - not because I understand much!

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